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Hopes
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PostSubject: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 3:49 am

End this moronic idiotic squabble that has caused one member to leave
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 3:51 am

Moved topic to DP Discussion so guests cannot vote on the poll

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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 4:19 am

Next time use your real account to make the poll Josh.... EDIT: nvm didn't know this was your actual account.

I personally think this is unnecessary. If baha wanted him banned h should make a post. Him leaving without trying to fix his problem himself is basically playing the guilt card on members wither he did it intentionally or not.

Of course this is my opinion. I say we end this poll right now because it is uncalled for. I can't end this pull because it is out of my jurisdiction, and that is not how we operate so whoever thinks this poll shouldn't have existed in the first place please post here on this thread and voice what their opinion is.

I'm just putting down what I personally think, I give my sincerest apologizes if this offends anyone.


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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 4:20 am

I meant Joshcarder of course
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 4:32 am

Ok, now putting my 2 cents in; Hopes and Baha have problems previously, outside of DP. Since I have no idea what the story is between the most recent conflict, I am not voting.

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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 3:38 pm

So are we voting on who should leave? I'm not quite sure what we're voting on here.
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 4:28 pm

I see no need for this pole. -_- And I'm not even sure what I'm voting on...


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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 4:28 pm

Why is nolimit even in it? Its between HOPES and ZERO.
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 5:00 pm

For the record, to my understanding, it's Hopes and NoLimit because the fight that ended in Baha leaving started when NoLimit stepped in to Hopes yelling at Pheonix, though that's just what I heard.
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 5:11 pm

Or
I reach for my banhammer under my bed, tell the dust bunnies play time is over (brush the dust off) and put an end to this. Because I really want to put an end to this... -_-
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 6:37 pm

Again, I'm still confused. Do we click Hopes to ban Hopes or NoLimit to ban NoLimit? ...?
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Fri May 18, 2012 10:28 pm

click hopes to ban hopes click nolimit to ban nolimit
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Sat May 19, 2012 12:00 am

Alright, long response:

To start with, we have already initiated a ban for NoLimit; it was shot down pretty easily. Doing a poll like this almost seems like pitting the two against each other, like we can only have one. The most recent problem did not involve NoLimit, so I don't understand why he's even on the list since we just did a vote to ban him.

Beyond that, Baha and Hopes have problems because of this whole TSA business. If Baha didn't straight up quit obviously my reaction and opinion would be way different to the situation, but Baha apparently feels like there will/can be nothing done to fix it other than to leave the clan. So, whatever I guess.

Looking at it, what has Hopes done that constitutes a ban? I understand a lot of people don't like him and I can understand why, but looking at this fairly there is nothing I can put a finger on and say this is why Hopes should be banned.

If you can make a clear case on something that Hopes did that you believe is a bannable offense, please bring it up. Until then, I don't think this is the way to go about solving an issue that is already over.

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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Sat May 19, 2012 2:03 am

^And with that said, I want to do my job and close if not delete this thread. I see this thread as spam/pointless/not the proper way of solving this. This lil fit was between Hopes, Baha and Phnx of TSA; NoLimit simply stepped in and stuck up for Baha and Phnx and got pistol wipped by Hopes.
NoLimit had multiple offenses and what happened with him and Hopes the other day on TS got some questions to be asked. And the community was asked if that wanted him on TS, we all know how that went. So, he shouldn't be up there.. :/

NoLimit was not the cause of this nor did he start it. And, more reasons why I see this thread as spam..

I'm not exactly sure how this was solve if it was but it leaves me to ask, can an affiliates
talk to our members how they please? And at what point is enough, enough?
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Tue May 22, 2012 8:59 am

Having been gone for a week (my brother came home from college to have his wisdom teeth pulled, so I stayed home to take care of him. Turned out he didn't need it, so we got to catch up and play video games for a week :> )

Anyway, having been gone for a week, I didn't even hear about Zero leaving until he was already gone, nor did I get to say goodbye or get a way to keep in touch with him at all. This whole thing makes me sad.

That being said, I've been present to witness multiple times when Hopes has displayed blatantly bigoted, homophobic, sexist behavior, both here on our TS server, and back on TSA's. I sat through an entire rant on how he was glad same-sex marriages weren't allowed in SWTOR, treating it as something dirty or unbecoming, to be censored because he "didn't want that shit in his game." His game. As if he was suddenly the head of the BioWare development team. I was disgusted, and that marked the beginning of my decline in playing that game because I didn't want to listen to that bigoted, homophobic crap from Hopes. I've also heard the way he talks about his ex, and women in general, very recently. He would portray us all as backstabbing, conniving bitches who cheat on our lovers just to make them feel bad, simply because that's what many of the girls in HIS life have done. I find such sexism to be appalling. I don't mind the occasional kitchen joke. I laugh at those sometimes too, and have plenty of jokes about men to fire back, but an accusation like that on a general scale toward all women is no joke. It's offensive, plain and simple.

I've heard from Sarah how Hopes tried to play admin on our TS server, when he isn't even a member of Dead Pixel, much less an admin. Sarah was the only admin on at the time to deal with it, and from what I gathered, Hopes said lots of mean things to her. She was upset the whole day after that, and ended up resigning from being an admin. We all voted for Sarah, we all thought she would make a good admin, and I still do think so. Now we'll never get to find out because Sarah doesn't want to be admin anymore.

More than once did Hopes display his habit of going to the Aion channel to badmouth Aion to people who are playing and obviously enjoying Aion. On top of this, when I called him out on that, he told me to "shut up Mareth, talking over me is rude." Is it not rude to come into a channel marked for Aion, where people are playing Aion, with the sole intention of badmouthing Aion and talking about how much better he thought the GuildWars 2 beta was? I had to mute him for days because of these repeated verbal assaults on me and the rest of our Aion players.

And now on top of all this he chased Zero away? I'm sorry, but I don't agree with Echo on the whole "guilt card" thing. Zero isn't the kind of person who caves like this unless put under serious duress, He's naturally cheerful and sensitive, and always bounces back from things that make him sad. It must have taken a LOT of crap to chase Zero away. Many of the things Hopes says and does that are hurtful or offensive either don't get reported, or they're overlooked once they're over, because a lot of us here in Dead Pixel are passive, sensitive people, especially us girls. I'm not passive, I'm blunt and sometimes kinda bitchy, but I'm the only girl here who's like that. I'm also the one that Luna and sometimes Sarah go to when they need to vent, because I've got that blunt sense of humor while still being able to offer a girl's advice (which is very different from a guy's advice, btw!). There's a reason Hopes can never stay in a relationship for very long. The way he talks to and about women, I'm starting to think Hopes is the crazy ex. In any case, even though some things slip under the radar, that doesn't mean they're any less hurtful. Hopes placed the final straw on Zero's back, because all of us as a clan were too slow in noticing just how bad Hopes' behavior had gotten.

Anyway, I'm still new to Dead Pixel, so maybe it's not my place to say all of this stuff. Someone has to, though, or it'll never get brought up. Everything I've read here on the forums seems to suggest that popular opinion places the beginning of Hopes' misbehavior at his tiff with NoLimit. Hopes had been causing trouble long before the effects of that trouble became noticeable, and I hope that my examples in this post will help to illustrate that and constitute a clear case of something Hopes did that I believe to be a bannable offense.
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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Tue May 22, 2012 4:56 pm

So I just got back from my vacation; it's a good thing this was posted just today - I really hope you don't think this was getting ignored.

Anyways, when I first saw this post I was initially pretty worried. I don't know you that well yet, and I know full well that you don't like Hopes (was never really told why), but I am extremely glad you wrote everything you did. Before I say anything else though, I want to address one thing:

Mareth wrote:
Anyway, I'm still new to Dead Pixel, so maybe it's not my place to say all of this stuff.

This is absurd; it is actually because you are a new member that you're even saying this. Everyone's opinion is valued and equal among every other DP member, including myself and any admin. I do a lot of things to try and get everyone's opinion and keep everyone happy and having fun. New or not, you are a member and anything you have to say is important, just please, please, tell me what your opinion is. It's unfortunate, but a lot of people don't come to me when something is wrong and I hate it. I can't fix it if I don't know about it.

Anyways, back tracking a bit: I don't think Baha was trying to play a 'guilt card'. I don't think he's like that either, but instead of bringing whatever the problem was up to myself or an admin, he just quit. I don't understand what him quitting would do to fix the situation, but he apparently felt like that would help. I mean i guess him quitting just like that was a little disheartening to me personally, sort of feels like it puts a pretty low value his relationship with us... but I wasn't thinking it was a guilt card move or whatever. And yes, I could have gone to him and asked him why he quit and then retroactively tried to fix things, but I can NOT have any member think that you have to quit to get my attention... that would be terrible. That is why I'm on the forums literally every day, as well as Facebook. I try to get on TS as often as I can and I freely give out my phone number. There is no way it's hard to get a hold of me, and I would love if people actually came to me if there was a problem. Pretty much the only two people that do come to me is Fred and NoLimit, and most of the time it doesn't involve either of them. I really hate this and I don't know why people don't talk to me :/ I didn't even know why Sarah rescinded her admin powers until your post.

Now, a lot of the problems you have listed I have not witnessed. I can believe them though, and it does sound like him. From my own opinion Hopes is self-centered and has very raucous opinions that he asserts constantly (and in the wrong way), but I've never witnessed it to be as bad as you say. I know he's been offensive, but not to the point where it's blatant disrespect towards the people he is talking to. Now THIS, in my eyes, is a bannable. I just couldn't get anyone to tell me why I should ban him other than an 'I don't like him' type of response.

Again, Mareth, thank you for saying something. I can sort of tell you feel pretty strongly about this, and I hope you (and everyone else) feel a little more comfortable bringing things up.. even if it's in a PM or text to me. I'm talking to you too, Sarah. Everyone who is a part of Dead Pixel is important to me, and I want to keep all of you happy. That's actually a big reason I like growing the clan so slowly.. I don't want a 'generation' of new members to come in and start changing up the clan and drive away the members we have right now. You are all awesome, and this is easily the best clan I've ever been in; I want you all to feel the same.

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PostSubject: Re: [Poll] End This   Tue May 22, 2012 7:21 pm

Thanks Echo, it's really reassuring to read this. My brother went back to college, so I'll be back on TS more often now ^_^

Before my absence, when Zero was still here, he told me he's taking a break from Aion to play Star Trek, so maybe I can get a hold of him there.

See you on TS ^_^
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